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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:51:42 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Thx for your tears
Thanks for proving the point.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 09:27:20 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time
Welcome to Eve Online, we have this thing called "rules". If you can play within them, then you're doing it correctly. If you can't, you will most likely get repulsed away from the game.
Thats true for every game out there... whats your point?
I think what is meant is that actions like this are against any feeling of human dignity... its got nothing to do with playing a game or even PvP...
Thats why people get upset about it..... or at least thats how i see it.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:34:17 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Game is fine, the people are ******. 
Indeed... and thats basically what OP was on about....
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:00:38 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha @ OP, thinking he could trust people he barely knows to only go to hull.
ha ha ha ha....beeuurrkk...oops sorry. 
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
Its why you can be here..... lovin' boobies. 
Basically a noble, though somewhat unforgiving, trait.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:08:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible 
In your (sad?) world it probably does.
In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things.
In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:11:08 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:That's... simplest terms?
Bottom line is Eve is a niche sandbox and this is one of the reasons. Freedom to play in the sand your way means there will inevitably be those who enjoy stomping all over the nice sandcastles of others.
Fully agree... but only because we let them :)
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:44:25 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible In your (sad?) world it probably does. In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things. In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option. And why is that sad? Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be? Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain? Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions? Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox? Where as the rest EVE happily plays together, Even though some might not like the castles others are building? HTFU
If you need me to explain you why that is sad ... then thats even more sad... i weep for you.
Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be?
I have never said this game needed to be changed... if i did i apologise. Its PEOPLE that, i think, need to change.
If you dont understand why or need an example.... look at the news and around you. And yes i understand this is a game but chances are that if you behave like an oaf ingame ( and even defend it)... you are an oaf IRL... and i DONT mean the PvP mechanics.
Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain?
I understand EVE perfectly thank you... i too think its great if you can PLAY the villain.
Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Nowhere.... They SHOULD be part of YOU! But that concept seems lost on some of my fellow players... unfortunately.
Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox?
I dont feel entitled to anything... really. The game is fine as is... its people screwing other people over (not PvP) and calling it okay just because they can. Its your sense of whats right and wrong that should steer your actions...
Jeez how do you explain that... if you dont get that by now you probably never will. 
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:23:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
chances are that if you behave like an oaf ingame ( and even defend it)... you are an oaf IRL... and i DONT mean the PvP mechanics.
^^ difficulty disassociating real world emotional value responses from digital actions. you realise this attitude is why we glory in carebear tears without feeling bad right.
Look here Ralphie ... when i say not-nice people i dont mean your little antics with the PvP crowd... even with the unvoluntary ones.
When OP tells his/her story it looks to me they had a friendly convo about trying something out right?
When OP stresses on the fact that its just a test and no going beyond hull... and you still blow up?
Then IRL in MY book you are a lousy person.
You may be looking at a virtual world with makebelieve characters but there are real folks behind that screen.
Theres PvP and theres just beeing rotten to the core. Ive not been around too long in this game but ive allready seen stuff that makes your eyes water. Its downright distasteful.
If that means im a weak carebear... pffff... then i wear that title with pride.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:29:27 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Quote:Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Nowhere.... They SHOULD be part of YOU! But that concept seems lost on some of my fellow players... unfortunately. The fact the you bring Real Life concepts into a video game, should be worrying. The fact that you can't differentiate actions in a video game, and actions in real life, is worrying. The fact that you think that Video game action translate into real life behaviour or attitude. Is worrying. Just because I play Call Of Duty doesn't mean I will join the military and go on a giant illegal escapade, Just because I play Skyrim doesn't mean I will learn how to sword fight. Just because I play Hitman doesn't mean I want to become an assassin. Also due to the fact that you think people in real life, are honourable and noble is gullible,
The fact that you have no idea what im talking about (and obviously you dont) is worrying.
But looking at the world around me im not at all surprised.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:05:33 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE ?: nothing
Indeed!
But that was really never what i was on about...
Oh and i take my Morals everywhere i go Jenna... something more peeps should try.
Its way more of a challenge than this 'playing evil'... and way cooler stuff can come of it :)
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:52:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*. You shoot people to see whether or not they flip out on you when their space pixels explode. If they do, then they aren't the kind of people you want to hang out with anyway, they are better of quitting o being exiled to an NPC corp with the rest of the rejects from the Island of Misfit Toys. People like that are only good for being destroyed for the amusement of others, like destructible terrain. It's an excellent means to weed out the bad apples.
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:07 -
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Max Deveron wrote:UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community. In case your still around....get a cheap ship...go missioning....go mining....read up on those tactics for stealing loot from CODE. ganking freighters....sell that **** and your golden. Sheesh some give up to easily...and usually because they try to play out of their league....learn to crawl before you try to walk, learn to walk before you run.
Yes.... try mining first 
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:57:43 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
If your willing to learn, and are not annoying. I'd take you.  However I dont think you would like our playstyle.
Hehehe... man... ill have you swinging from the rafters in two days flat...
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:59:52 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:
Aeon Plex > im comin outside
Kayden Drake > your gonna use the garmur right?
Made my day I can almost see this basement dwelling individual salivating in anticipation of a free Garmur kill mail...
Awesome isn't it... if you look really carefully (squint your eyes a bit) you can even see the knife just before it goes in Aeon's back.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:16:51 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:
Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10.
Cries FOR newbies .... theres a difference.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:37:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Barton Breau wrote:
Things are rarely simple and clear cut, even if we would like them to be when using sweeping terms like "community", i suppose you can like the game while disliking some of the people and disagreeing on the mechanics that enable or even encourage them to behave in a way you find annoying.
Just saying.
EVE has been advertised for 11 years as a harsh , cold, cutthroat game world. Then 'some people' install it, get an account and play it, then complain on the forums that people are playing in a harsh, cold, cutthroat manner. WTF mate? In what universe does this make the least bit of sense? It's like being a Vegan, KNOWING McDonald's Chicken McNuggets are made from meat (well, mostly corn but some meat), ordering them anyways then getting ticked off at the fact that you just ate a meat product.
If they advertise you should jump in the river after every game session you do that too?
If i play checkers with my wife and i knock her teeth out everytime i get a bit overenthousiastic ... that would drastically shorten my marriage.
And i have a great marriage!
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:53:12 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:
Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap
Two year old RvB alt, with a bio that starts with "Ruthless", trying to duel to hull in Jita... cries newbie in GD... 9 pages in 9 hours. 10/10. Cries FOR newbies .... theres a difference. This is not an example of "a newbie being treated like crap". He does not qualify as one. In the previous sentence to the above quote he says: Quote:I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x. He fails to so much as establish a case of newbies being treated like crap in the first place. Let alone presenting any kind of data to support a statement so bold as to say the majority of. He is not crying for anything, just crying.
Crying for a just cause imo ... seriously.
Im not even gonna try to unravel the wordtwisting... you ignore everything everyone else says and come in with a new twist at post #196.
All im saying is to stop hurting eachother for the sake of hurting.... HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND ?
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:28:59 -
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Dang... my capslock got stuck... did ya see that?
Anyway... have a nice evening y'all.
... cretins :P
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:31:12 -
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DaReaper wrote:Anslo wrote:DaReaper wrote:IDK is anyone said this already...
"What is wrong with eve in the simplest terms?"
a: you op, you.
/thread Look out we got a bad ass over here. Such edge. Oh far from it, i'm as carebear as they come. Died more times then I can count, a lot of it due to my own stupidity. Like losing a carrier when I had it for a week to WT's cause a npc had me scrambled and I did not have small drones to kill it. Or flying my month old nyx into a game camp. Or having my alliance get scammed out of 25b cause I was not thinking and listening tot eh wrong people... or a million other reasons. Fact remains, eve is what it is because of the players. One of the first rules of eve, hell its even on the damn 'about game' area, is you shouldn't trust anyone. That's it. The fault lies with the op. The op is what is wrong with eve. People who think they can trust another player in a game that basicly says 'do not trust anyone' then immediately come whine on the forms cause they got scammed, killed, whatever, asking whats wrogn with eve. The answer is always... you. Change your mentality and you will see eve is perfect as she is, flaws and all. In my 11 years here, no other game has come close to being anything like eve. She may want to knee you in the balls everyday, but damn she is a sexy game. Now to actually be bad ass... /thread I win
Coward!
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.23 23:55:29 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: Also due to the fact that you think people in real life, are honourable and noble is gullible,
I missed this one earlier due to hectic.
If you really never experienced people like that, then i can fully understand where you're coming from.
There are certainly people around that are honourable and integer.... just keep looking.
Now that the dust has settled a bit i'd like to apologize for losing my temper earlier.
You guys are very good at getting someone riled up but that is no excuse for me losing it.
I wanna just get one last thing off my chest.
I am not saying this game should be changed in any way... its way to awesome to be even thinking about that.
I say that without fully knowing all its ins and outs because ive not been playing for that long yet.
I have lots to see and learn still.
I am aware of some of the mechanics that are in the game, built in or introduced by players. And ive seen first hand how low this game can be played... i was there at the convo and i know what ive heard/read in local.
Im not going to tell about it ... its of no importance anymore and its probably much worse for me then it would be to all you guys... but it was nasty!... by anyones standard.
All im saying is that when you play with peoples emotions and feelings, you have a great responsibility. Especially when you are more savvy than your opponent. You may like this or not and it can be 'just a game' a hundred times over... but you cant just crap all over someone as ive witnessed and as seems to be common practise in this game. It will come back one day and bite you in the ass! .. or worse!
Okay im done. Fly safe.. or fly into an asteroid.. whatever floats yer boat.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.25 18:21:07 -
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There's really no end to this discussion.
What's perfectly legit to one person is total blasphemy to the other....and then there's everything between the two opposites. There's not even common ground because all common ground lays outside the game... Some play as they would act IRL and some play a role to explore their opposites.
You can play as you want and there are no limits (well there are but you know what i mean).
That's my personal conclusion to this anyway.
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.25 18:45:51 -
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Suz1 wrote:I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them.
I really hope you just made this up... i really do
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.25 20:03:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Suz1 wrote:I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them. I really hope you just made this up... i really do EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse... Actually, provided you have the swear filtering for the chat channels set up properly , or better yet, closed completely there's little to expexpose children to, the vast majority of the adult content in eve comes through those channels and private mail so if you monitor their play you can avoid stuff like inappropriate language, jpegs and gifs. And in answer to your earlier post, no this never ends. this thread crops up consistently I'd say about 2 or 3 times a month, some with more gusto than others but it generally pans out the same, we have the same arguments over the same things and ocasionally someone gets rather worked up about it and rages for pages and pages (not pointing at you, to be fair you cooled off and realised the triviality of it ) about how eve is flawed and were all sociopaths for endorsing the predator role (in the only game that's been infamous for years for allowing it) and how they will unsubscribe their eleventytwelvethousand accounts (that they plex) if ccp doesn't ["fix" eve to match their preconceived notions/permaban every one involved/remove PvP in highsec] . we can ( and have) recite the whole thing off the top of our heads.
To be fair i actually introduced my daughter to World of Warcraft some years ago. I was over it like a hawk ofcourse but it astounded me how easily (and without any knowledge of the English language) she picked up a friend to play with (who, turned out was also monitored by a parent ... dumb coincidence ofc. but still :) )
To come back to the issue at hand... its not really an issue anymore for me i'd say.
I am still convinced there's a bunch of lowlife's in this game but thats true for any other game out there. Im not a great fan of tear-pulling either... i find it rather hurtful and childish behavior. But thats my personal view on it... im a bit of a worrior on such matters IRL as well, so there.
I did come away with a different point of view though (always wanted to say that...here's to you Johnny ) i am now setting up a character to PvP with. Im going to try out Solo Factional Warfare as im useless in groups. (appearantly its possible)
Studying it as we speak (im not much for jumping in and need to read about it first, its half the fun for me. )
So here goes...
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.27 12:35:13 -
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I think a players driven Militia is a great idea!
That way they can have a sniff at PvP without giving up mining.
What if Miners would unite? Bigger and smaller corp's get organised and raise a militia. A whole solarsystem under guard by the same organisation that mines it sounds completely in line with the games design.
After all... if CODE can do it then why cant miners do the same?
A Miners Co+Šp with its own Militia (Militia can be from a sort of mandatory guard tour or from hired hands).
i read somewhere that you can make your claim public when you get unlawfully ganked right?
CCP should lengthen that state and make a ganker vulnerable for a longer period.... after all the miners are vulnerable all the time so...
Just a thought... although its a bit offtopic... unless OP was in a Miners Co+Šp 
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:49:11 -
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Appearantly this thread needed another 130+ pages of squabbeling fishwives...
Good job folks
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Brochan McLeod
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Posted - 2014.11.02 00:23:07 -
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I'd be more concerned that appearantly people are leaving the game before they get a chance to get hooked on it.
If that is happening on such a scale that CCP finds it unavoidable to remove a given mechanic then maybe everybody will just have to swallow and get on with it?
Also, when i re-joined this game two months ago i was greeted with two Corp invites.
- The first was in German, stating i needn't bother to reply if i didn't speak German.
- The second one had a list of do's and don'ts as long as my flippin' arm. It ended with requiring a full API ? Yeah right. Maybe check up my arse for any hidden contraband as well? .. yes, no?
If there is a Red versus Blue floating about and an Eve University and the likes, then why the hell aren't THEY out there reeling the newbies in and educating them?
Offer them an education that touches all the bases and then kick em out. To get them in... make them offers they cant refuse (Reputation with chosen faction, a bunch of cash, a few nice frigats etc..) Kindof like the tutorial does but then in a more 'live' fashion.
Anyway, there are probably lots of creative ways to pull people in and make em enthousiastic for the game.
Questioning CCP's ability to evaluate the data and exit polls is NOT one of em... seriously, the sheer arrogance.
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